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Every 5 months or so I search around the net for resources on electric cars.
I've discovered some that seem to have great potential, but none of them appear to be out yet.
Example: www.pleiades-enterprises.com/pag....htm
(No, I'm not affiliated with that website in any way).
I also know of one electric car that's out and looks awesome! The only problems are it's under 100 mile range and it's $80,000 price tag. (It does beat Porches in 0-60 takeoffs though)
For myself, I have purchased a Tidal force Electric Bike (750X) and I am loving it!
But for us all to have a better future, we really are going to need electric cars. So practically... what good electric cars ARE there right now?
Thanks in advance,
David
(who is always looking for good eco minded friends) :)
I've discovered some that seem to have great potential, but none of them appear to be out yet.
Example: www.pleiades-enterprises.com/pag....htm
(No, I'm not affiliated with that website in any way).
I also know of one electric car that's out and looks awesome! The only problems are it's under 100 mile range and it's $80,000 price tag. (It does beat Porches in 0-60 takeoffs though)
For myself, I have purchased a Tidal force Electric Bike (750X) and I am loving it!
But for us all to have a better future, we really are going to need electric cars. So practically... what good electric cars ARE there right now?
Thanks in advance,
David
(who is always looking for good eco minded friends) :)
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Re: Any really good electric cars?
Fri, March 4, 2005 - 5:30 PMI hear you! Electric cars are a major key to our future. The major key though is for the cars to be affordable. There need to be more cars in the $10,000 range. For there to be an impact poor folks need to have access to such vehicles as well. -
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My two cents
Mon, March 7, 2005 - 7:51 PMA new development in battery tech will let a battery of a given size hold 2 to 3 times as much power. Or alternately let you reduce the size of the battery for the same amount of power.
I'd like to have something like those little "smart cars" you see in europe, but hybrid electric w/ the new battery tech. Same thing for a motorcycle.
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Tue, March 8, 2005 - 1:49 AMAny links on that battery technology. Battery technology is the major hurdle keeping electric vehicles from being as functional, effecient and environmentally friendly as we all wish they could be -
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Tue, March 8, 2005 - 4:00 PMHere is a link to the battery tech. I forgot to mention that these improved batteries also recharge in minutes.
slashdot.org/article.pl
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Today's batteries are good enough
Fri, March 11, 2005 - 10:54 AMGreg said:
"Battery technology is the major hurdle keeping electric vehicles from being as functional, effecient and environmentally friendly as we all wish they could be"
This is the excuse the car manufacturers have been using, but it's just not true. The fact is that there are battery technologies easily available TODAY that work perfectly well for making practical electric vehicles.
GM, Toyota, Honda, and Ford didn't need a super-battery to make their excellent electric vehicles (EV1, RAV4EV, EVPlus, EV Ranger pickup). They used nickel-metal-hydride and lead-acid batteries. Everyone who had one loved it, and there were huge waiting lists. These were real, functional, practical cars.
For a currently-available EV example, have a look at the Tango, from Commuter Cars in Spokane, WA.
www.commutercars.com/
0-60 in 4 seconds, 120mph top speed, quarter mile in 12 seconds, and (driven at commute speeds) an 80-mile range. All done with plain old lead-acid car batteries you can buy just about anywhere (Optima yellow tops).
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Sat, March 12, 2005 - 3:00 PMThe tango is neat. Ugly as hell, but neat.
I'd be more inclined to get one if it had better range and side by side seating. Tandem seating is for motorcycles. :)
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Sat, March 19, 2005 - 11:21 AMRe: the Tango--
I'm certainly no expert, but I'm deeply suspicious of its claims. I can think of few designs more foolish than an upright, 4-wheeled vehicle with a less-than 36" track that supposedly will do 0-60 in 4 seconds and has a 150mph top speed. Unless this thing has a hidden gyroscope or is made of flubber, the first time that it goes around a corner at speed it's gonna roll. Yes, I know they have a half-ton of batteries down in the middle, but it's not just a question of CoG, it's also what those little wheels can handle.
Also, Tango's website claims in one place that it is "...6" narrower than *many* motorcycles..." and elsewhere that it is "...5" narrower than the Honda Gold Wing..." (which is the widest bike on the planet). Quibbling over inches aside, I don't think that an 39" wide, enclosed vehicle is sensible to lane-split in, as they suggest. I ride a motorcycle or scooter every day and-- even at more than a foot narrower than the Tango, I'm taking my life in my hands.
The Tango's performance specs seem optimistic. I don't know of any electric motor that produces enough torque to move a 2,500 pound vehicle at anything like the speeds they claim. The two motors they use--Advance DC FB1-4001s--produce 29 bhp each with "80 peak hp". I would guess that they've calculated this "peak hp" based on torque, but I don't see how even a huge amount of torque is going to get a box like the Tango up to 150 mph and keep it there. That doesn't even begin to address the question of where on earth it's practical to go 150 miles an hour on 13" wheels!
Frankly, I just don't understand why the company that's developing this is putting so much effort into making a tiny, rather ugly car with supercar performance. Is that what they think the market wants? It seems to me that developing an EV--even with the same footprint and shape--that was inexpensive and lightweight would make more sense. My guess is that the Tango is going to be this year's Segway, which was last year's Corbin Sparrow: just one more episode in a long line of expensive electric flops. -
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Sun, August 5, 2007 - 3:50 AMI have seen a prototype for that car in 1999 when I was working on my prototype.
It was very zippy!
And so today, I am sure it is at least that.
If you have ever seen this, or talked to the builders,
you concerns will all be answered.
I would think they will be @ EVS-23.
That same year @ EVS-11 some Japan Students also showed
their WELL-Engingeered Tandem EV - and it was great also!
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Sat, June 21, 2008 - 11:39 PMThe Tango is a cool car, but the T600 is over $100k. The T200 is not designed yet, but will be around $40k, and the T100, also not yet designed, is about $18k.
Check out the Th!nk, coming to the US in 2009. It's an Norwegian electric vehicle built in Souther CA that looks like a version of the SmartCar: blog.wired.com/cars/2008/...-bring.html
65 mph. 100 mile range. Under $25k.
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Mon, August 6, 2007 - 4:22 PM
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Re: Any really good electric cars? Love this company!!!
Fri, September 2, 2005 - 8:35 PM
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Thu, November 30, 2006 - 8:06 AMlooks like this is an old topic, but I will post anyways.
Checkout a large list of people that own electric vehicles from the EVDL (electric vehicle discussion list) at www.evalbum.com there are some production models and plenty of homebuilt conversions. -
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Thu, January 25, 2007 - 9:49 AMI own a Nevco Gizmo (which I will be selling) and am getting ready to buy the ZapWorld Xebra PK. The range and top speed are about the same, 40MPH and a range of around 35 miles. So for a commuter and around town car- this is the thing. I have a Forestor for hauling big stuff, camping, and out of town trips. But the Gizmo (soon to be Xebra PK) was used for the vast majority of my daily use. I'm switching from the Gizmo to the Xebra, since the Gizmo was a single person vehicle with a 3x3 space in back for groceries. The Xebra PK seats two people, and has a 4.4' x 4.7' pickup bed that can carry 500 pounds. And can lock up so that stuff can't get stolen out of it. With it, I don't have to take the Forestor on large grocery runs, trips with a passenger, or trips to the hardware store.
Old vehicle (Nevco went out of business), the Gizmo:
www.nevco-ev.com/index2.html
Parent company in Santa Rose for Xebra:
www.zapworld.com/ZAPWorld.aspx
Dealer in Salem Oregon (they deliver in Oregon):
www.electricwheelsinc.com/
So yes, there are cheap alternatives that use standard golf cart batteries and cost around $10k. You just have to keep in mind that their purpose is for the 'under 30 miles a day' standard in town commute. I got to the point where the only time I would start up the Forestor was to keep the battery from dying every month.
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Wed, January 16, 2008 - 4:40 PMI drive an electric van made in 1989. It's equipped with Ni-Cd batteries, (still working perfectly even though they are almost 20 years old!) and there is no doubt that it is a practical vehicle. I drive it everywhere, and it has over 60 miles of range. Not bad for something that weighs in at 7000 lbs!
More info:
evalbum.com/1413
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Re: Any really good electric cars?
Mon, February 23, 2009 - 9:55 AMSeems like a good time to start this question going again.
There are many "new" products out now, but the "buzz" is still whining about battery "range"!
The automotive industry does not want EV's to be cheap or available. They want them to go away.
This being said, that's good enough reason to HAVE EV's! (rebel rebel)
Most all EV's will go 100+ miles. The key being the amount of amps you can carry on board. More battery will do it. Better batteries will do it. Who cares which! Just make the damn things! We want them! If I have to only drive 100 mile a day, cool! I won't be using any gas and that's good. Solar panels built into the "skin" of the car will add range. There's more........
Here's my list of cool EV's
www.teslamotors.com/
(top dog!)
www.popularmechanics.com/blogs...1.html
(electric motorcycle)
kidsonroll.com/ElectricBi...Bicycle.php
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Mon, February 23, 2009 - 10:06 AM
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Wed, March 4, 2009 - 5:12 PMIt's actually the number of "AmpHours" that you can carry in your battery pack.
And the range game is just part of the propaganda of the oil industry.
They do not realize that they are really "Energy Providers"
and normal people are "energy consumers"
just provide some energy, and the people will purchase it.
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Wed, February 25, 2009 - 6:50 AM********t does beat Porches in 0-60 takeoffs though*************
I'd not use a German car as my 0 - 60 gold standard.
Maybe a Bored, Ported, Cammed, Balanced, nitros injected 1968 Z-28 with a 4/11 Detroit locker rear end and 14" wide Micky Thompsons.
But a porshe? Naaaah .
While it's fun to talk about the torque of e vehicles: for the street that sort of profligate power depletion is just going to tear down your range.
You can come out of the hole once maybe twice for show and then you gotta retire & hit the power charger.
For me it's all about Range between charges and I'm starting to think that a little propane engine on board might be the best way to bridge he gap between the range of an ICE with a 30 Gallon tank and the lousy 100 Mile range of the e-vehicle It'll also help with heating the car's interior. Electric heat is such a huge drain on power.
When Motel Six starts installing metered power re-charging units in it's parking lots you'll know that E-Vehicles have come of age.
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Wed, February 25, 2009 - 6:40 PM<When Motel Six starts installing metered power re-charging units in it's parking lots you'll know that E-Vehicles have come of age.>
Santa Monica, Ca. near the 3rd st mall has "preferred parking" and a charging plug-in for EV's.
It's here, we just need to DO IT!
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